tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post1846968448574460635..comments2023-09-09T07:28:35.681-04:00Comments on Science and Religion: A View from an Evolutionary Creationist: Hugh Ross on Common AncestryJimpithecushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-6182293511413399892011-08-13T15:20:02.866-04:002011-08-13T15:20:02.866-04:00Sverre and Charles, I think that is correct. I a...Sverre and Charles, I think that is correct. I am not ruling out the existence of an Adam and and Eve but it is becoming more likely that if they are historical people (and I don't for a minute think that you can't be a Christian and not think that) they existed some time in the Neolithic, around 7 to 10 thousand years ago and that the ensuing flood was local to the region in which they lived.Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-84287196305504765832011-08-13T03:44:32.588-04:002011-08-13T03:44:32.588-04:00Isn't it similar to the way we interpret Paul&...Isn't it similar to the way we interpret Paul's statement in Phil 2:10 "in heaven and on earth and under the earth" in light of the Copernican/Galilean cosmology where we no longer hold this view of the world?Sverre Holmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08306221557326542499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-70100854344214435262011-08-09T14:06:27.507-04:002011-08-09T14:06:27.507-04:00How do you harmonize these scientific elements wit...How do you harmonize these scientific elements with the Scriptures? If Adam and Eve were mythical creatures, then was the Fall also mythical?<br /><br />And if Adam and Eve were not real people, then how do you interpret Paul's theology in Romans and elsewhere? <br /><br />How do you interpret 1 Cor 15:45?Charles R. Cherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06314369744988878572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-43344707779935816072011-08-08T16:59:45.713-04:002011-08-08T16:59:45.713-04:00Thank you, Steve. Kind words.Thank you, Steve. Kind words.Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-55250739567316099122011-08-08T16:00:25.060-04:002011-08-08T16:00:25.060-04:00Jim, thanks for the analysis. It's so hard to ...Jim, thanks for the analysis. It's so hard to critique RTB when their scholarship appears so careless. I think you do a very good job.<br /><br />BTW, the answer, sadly, to your initial question is, "Same stuff that's always goin' on."<br /><br />I remember that cool Glut1/DHA paper in Cell a few years ago; it would have made a good blog post/journal club.Stephen Mathesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05057004085073574659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-90104329790607623542011-08-08T11:40:38.505-04:002011-08-08T11:40:38.505-04:00Gee, can't wait!Gee, can't wait!Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-80630787080174005412011-08-08T09:46:04.206-04:002011-08-08T09:46:04.206-04:00I'm sure that you in particular will enjoy thi...I'm sure that you in particular will enjoy <a href="http://www.paradoxes.org/audio/2011/paradoxes-2011-08-07.mp3" rel="nofollow">this week's lecture from Hugh Ross on the human fossil record.</a> For some reason there is an extremely long, rambling introduction before he actually addresses the topic of the talk.<br /><br />The talk from their visiting scholar the previous week is <a href="http://www.paradoxes.org/audio/2011/paradoxes-2011-07-31.mp3" rel="nofollow">here.</a>Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-76846878841524661082011-08-08T08:35:46.963-04:002011-08-08T08:35:46.963-04:00I have read almost all of Carol Hill's article...I have read almost all of Carol Hill's articles and highly recommend them to anyone with an interest in flood geology. I especially like her article on the Grand Canyon. Thanks for the tip.Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-79371940963354561872011-08-08T08:34:15.410-04:002011-08-08T08:34:15.410-04:00WTanksley, thanks for the correction. Of course, ...WTanksley, thanks for the correction. Of course, if it is a local flood, then he has even more problems explaining the lack of speciation in modern humans. Who were all of these critters running around outside of the Near East, anyway?Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-57902630014584907702011-08-08T04:45:37.806-04:002011-08-08T04:45:37.806-04:00Ross, the astrophysicist, is going to need some ve...Ross, the astrophysicist, is going to need some very good arguments in biology to convincingly attack Collins, the biologist. For people like me who cannot judge by themselves whether this or that argument from genetics/biology is valid, the credibility issue weighs just as much or even more than then details of the discussion. <br /><br />I think Ross is much better on his hometurf, astrophysics.Sverre Holmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08306221557326542499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-46909337389253107972011-08-08T00:58:13.980-04:002011-08-08T00:58:13.980-04:00You did a very good reading, and takedown, of Ross...You did a very good reading, and takedown, of Ross' arguments (his argument involving vitamin C is especially peculiar). One thing you might not have known is that Ross believes in a local flood that killed all humans (he speaks of a 'universal but local' flood). This has its own problems, of course (particularly the problem that humans were not concentrated in the Mesopotamian flood basin)... but it's different from your assumption that he believes in a global flood.<br /><br />BTW, have you read Cathy Hill's papers on the flood? I find them very interesting...<br /><br />If you'd like, here they are. The first one's kind of an overview of the Hill's Biblical interpretation process.<br /><br />http://www.asa3.org/ASA/meetings/baylor2009/papers/ASA2009Hill.pdf<br />http://bibleapologetics.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/carol-hill-flood-hydrology-1.pdf<br />http://bibleapologetics.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/carol-hill-flood-hydrology-2.pdf<br />http://bibleapologetics.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/alan-hill-flood-hydrology-3.pdf<br /><br />She points out some fascinating hints in the text itself that make it hard to believe that a global flood is being described (even though the language looks global).<br /><br />-Wmwtanksleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03283393679440645366noreply@blogger.com