tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post4097475801360136475..comments2023-09-09T07:28:35.681-04:00Comments on Science and Religion: A View from an Evolutionary Creationist: Geocentrism Goes Catholic!Jimpithecushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-17705220579843647272011-11-25T08:42:14.618-05:002011-11-25T08:42:14.618-05:00There have been four -4- experiments done over the...There have been four -4- experiments done over the last century that undermine the legitimacy of Heliocentrism and speak to the fact of Geocentrism. You can start with, Michelson Morley<br /><br />So?... Who is ignoring the science?<br /><br />And one of you really should produce this 2400 year old science that was mentioned, which proves Helio-centrism... I would like to see it.<br /><br />And as to Copernicus, he also was wrong, he believed the universe went around the sun... not the solar system. So he had his wrong assumptions also.<br /><br />Why is the irrelevant solar system sneaked in to the Copernican discussion at all?<br /> <br />Copernicus held that the sun was the center of the entire universe, as did Galileo and the rest of the protagonists.<br /> <br />Scientists most assuredly do not believe that today. To admit that the heroes of the fight against Biblical inerrancy were wrong would not be good for the cause.<br /><br />And lets face the fact that Ptolemy and his epicycles are not the primitive and outdated objects of fun the humanists would have us believe. <br /><br />The most convenient means of calculating planetary positions today is still Ptolemy’s, though his method has been modernized into "Fourier analysis", and his "epicycles" are now "terms in an infinite series." Still! The most improved versions of Kepler’s method are still not superior in accuracy and convenience. <br /><br />One tody could represent the the universe in a geo-centric model and no one could disprove it. Period.<br /><br />So I would suggest everyone today stop and think about all the bad science pushed as fact and then understand that we, none of us, know all we think we do.tmmasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343893739621828740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-50749579757162683212011-08-31T04:24:02.965-04:002011-08-31T04:24:02.965-04:00Dr. Robert Sungenis who is cited in this article h...Dr. Robert Sungenis who is cited in this article has provided a superb reply to it at his site www.galileowaswrong.com. The title of the reply is "Response to the Chicago Times on the Geocentrism Conference: Robert Sungenis"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-60539746864571104912011-08-30T19:54:39.830-04:002011-08-30T19:54:39.830-04:00This press release was just posted on SSPX.ORG:
P...This press release was just posted on SSPX.ORG:<br /><br />PLATTE CITY, MO (8-30-2011) A recent news report implied that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X promotes the scientific theory of geocentrism as a Catholic teaching based upon the Bible. The SSPX holds no such position.<br /><br />The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics should not use Sacred Scripture to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. As a religious congregation of the Catholic Church, the SSPX holds to these principles and does not teach any solar scientific theory. click here to read more: http://sspx.org/district_news/sspx_and_the_solar_system_8-30-2011.htm.<br /><br />Rather interesting information about the nature of Sacred Scripture, and the relation of it (and the Faith) to scientific theory.Romanitas Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03392344965842970673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-77278846440479133612011-07-10T10:10:11.549-04:002011-07-10T10:10:11.549-04:00I would argue that wiggling out of a claim that th...I would argue that wiggling out of a claim that the earth isn't 4.5 billion years old carries with it the same cost. There are so many multiple lines of evidence that the earth is vastly old that one requires blinders not to see it. And you are right. Even the Greeks knew the earth was not in the center of the universe. But this group of Catholics is so adamant in adhering to a narrow scriptural interpretation that even 2400 year old science is to be ignored. <br /><br />As they say: these people live out there where the bus doesn't run.Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-86074252047769396762011-07-09T16:30:57.458-04:002011-07-09T16:30:57.458-04:00Hi James.
Insofar as science can disprove anythin...Hi James.<br /><br />Insofar as science can disprove anything about the natural world, geocentrism has been disproven. Which is to say: It has been disproven.<br /><br />It is always possible to wiggle out of any scientific claim, but in this case doing so is much too costly; it leaves you with no basis upon which to believe anything at all about nature. <br /><br />And if you are a Christian (as I am), claiming that geocentrism is not proven is tantamount to saying God is a deceiver. IMO.Paul Wallacehttp://psnt.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-38104935750385232622011-07-09T16:30:15.913-04:002011-07-09T16:30:15.913-04:00Hi James.
Insofar as science can disprove anythin...Hi James.<br /><br />Insofar as science can disprove anything about the natural world, geocentrism has been disproven. Which is to say: It has been disproven.<br /><br />It is always possible to wiggle out of any scientific claim, but in this case doing so is much too costly; it leaves you with no basis upon which to believe anything at all about nature. <br /><br />And if you are a Christian (as I am), claiming that geocentrism is not proven is tantamount to saying God is a deceiver. IMO.Paul Wallacehttp://psnt.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-52054230917681879052011-07-06T12:52:00.227-04:002011-07-06T12:52:00.227-04:00Most unfortunately, the Chicago Tribune article le...Most unfortunately, the Chicago Tribune article left out (perhaps on purpose) the website for Dr. Sungenis' stunning 2 volume masterpiece on the geocentrism vs. heliocentrism debate. It is www.galileowaswrong.com. His equally important blogsite in which he answers many of his critics is www.galileowaswrong.blogspot.com.<br />One can also find the actual interview carried out by the Chicago Tribune reporter of Dr. Sungenis at http://galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/features/2.pdf. <br /><br />A Christian interested in the above subject matter would also do very well to visit http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html. The undersigned has personally recommended it to Mr. Ham!<br /><br />The article in the Tribune may give the wrong impression that the Catholic Church has abandoned its official position on heliocentrism and geocentrism. Contrary to popular opinion, it definitely has not, nor for that matter it ever will since geocentrism can actually be proven theologically.<br /><br />As for the natural sciences heliocentrism has never actually been proven and geocentrism has never actually been disproven. You would never know this, however, from the false scientific information (much like Darwinian evolution) that we have been spoon fed with since we were practically knee high!<br /><br />James PhillipsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com