tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post6817943156013949376..comments2023-09-09T07:28:35.681-04:00Comments on Science and Religion: A View from an Evolutionary Creationist: Some Perspective on the School Vouchers ControversyJimpithecushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-26724730775111812962014-04-10T17:18:12.968-04:002014-04-10T17:18:12.968-04:00Thank you... Although I didn't get much from t...Thank you... Although I didn't get much from the article, it encouraged me to broaden my reading. I just got "Reading Genesis 1-2: An Evangelical Conversation" for my Kindle, and I'm being very pleasantly challenged and educated.<br /><br />(The article simply doesn't provide enough information to justify its polemics. A hyperliteralist won't be convinced he's ignoring the numerology and patterns by an article that shows no awareness of the text. Of course, I don't blame the article for that; it's not made for the purposes I want.)wtanksleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03283393679440645366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-36883838544150161722014-04-09T15:59:47.188-04:002014-04-09T15:59:47.188-04:00I must disagree with both of you on the subject of...I must disagree with both of you on the subject of teaching our children about creationism in any way effects their ability to learn science, since creationism is not a science it is a religion. I would also say that teaching our children about evolution puts our kids at a disadvantage by setting them back in all areas of science and fills their heads with lies. I am a chemist by degree and have studied and applied the laws of science and after researching the theory of evolution, discovered it does not take into account any laws of science or nature. There are no facts to support evolution and I challenge both of you to look into what is being misrepresented as facts. For example, what scientific fact supports the evidence that the world is older than about 7,000 years? None. What scientific fact supports that we are any relation to the chimpanzee? None. What scientific fact supports animal mutations from one species to another? None. These are the factors that support the evolution hypothesis which have not nor could be proved. Similar to the lack of proof for creationism. That is why neither should be taught in a science class since both are faith based not science based. As to doing what is morally right by our kids….I recommend teaching creationism. At least it is morally based where evolution does not include morality, purpose of being or any witness testimonies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-75633052058258013862014-04-08T13:36:18.883-04:002014-04-08T13:36:18.883-04:00BTW, I missed this when it happened but in May of ...BTW, I missed this when it happened but in May of last year, Dr. Hyers passed away at the age of 80. Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-79354854620749996902014-04-08T13:09:37.940-04:002014-04-08T13:09:37.940-04:00Here is a link to a very boiled down version of Hy...Here is a link to a very boiled down version of Hyers' argument: <a href="http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1332" rel="nofollow">http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1332</a>Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-64548861597711132942014-04-08T10:26:47.033-04:002014-04-08T10:26:47.033-04:00Thank you for the book mention... I'll look th...Thank you for the book mention... I'll look that up. (I see that it's not available in ebook.) I assume the other one you're recommending is Noll's "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind". That's good, all right.<br /><br />I also highly recommend Walton's "The Lost World of Genesis 1".<br /><br />It's going to be REALLY hard to teach my kids science -- my ex-wife abandoned the faith for witchcraft, although she's still a vague old-earth anti-evolution creationist; my parents are HARD young-earthers.wtanksleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03283393679440645366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-10808269166945063032014-04-07T22:43:44.474-04:002014-04-07T22:43:44.474-04:00You are correct. I should have focused that comme...You are correct. I should have focused that comment more carefully. What I should have written was that, as far as the natural sciences goes, it provides no value. Dobzhansky was right. You get to a point where it starts to make no sense without an evolutionary framework. The curriculum that we have our kids go through is fantastic in many other ways. You are correct that the people are driving this, and it is these same people that are elected to the statehouse. They come out of bad science backgrounds and they don't understand how it works, so they perpetuate the bad ideas. Mark Noll was smack on the money. His books is one that every Christian ought to have to read, right after they read <i>The Meaning of Creation</i> by Conrad Hyers. Jimpithecushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10143519573877156940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-35125482094654494532014-04-07T19:54:53.026-04:002014-04-07T19:54:53.026-04:00//Having the ability to put your kids in the schoo...//Having the ability to put your kids in the school of your choice is of no value if the science they are being taught is wrong.//<br /><br />I completely agree that evolution is correct and the only way to approach biology that gives it any coherent structure. So a school that teaches ID or YEC will obviously, I agree, be parasitic on real science (and, further, will offer a faith-undermining danger to its pupils, since the science they deny will become more obviously true to at least some of its students).<br /><br />However, don't you think you're taking it a little far there? NO value?<br /><br />Furthermore, the problem originates not from federal funding being permitted for creationism; it originates from the widespread horrid approach post-second-great-awakening attitude American Christians have toward the life of the mind. The people are driving this problem, not federal permissiveness; if it were merely a problem of permissiveness, you'd be able to find schools using their freedom for good instead of ignorance.wtanksleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03283393679440645366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19722540.post-31529021437131398672014-04-02T11:35:31.747-04:002014-04-02T11:35:31.747-04:00I completely agree that it is a moral duty to teac...I completely agree that it is a moral duty to teach evolution as factual science, because it has been proven as such. To say anything otherwise is dishonest. Religious institutions are trying to hold on to outdated fables about how the universe began, while they fail to embrace the scientific realities about the cosmos. It is sad that society is still at this point where federal funding is teaching nonsense such as creationism, but hopefully blogs such as these ans my own will help rectify this problem. 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